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« on: October 07, 2011, 05:33:55 AM »

Pulling the plug on filthy toilet habits
Using a coffee shop loo (if you dare) is often a disgusting affair; new hygiene council aims to flush away the filth

The above is the title for an article in Straits Times written by Feng Zengkun. Published on Oct 1, 2011.
http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Singapore/Story/STIStory_718748.html


Coffee shops get quite a bit of criticism on the state of their toilets. It seems to me that those are private toilets provided for the convenience of paying customers.

Would I be very far off if I claim that the coffeeshop toilets are also expected to serve double duty as public toilets ?
I might add, unfairly expected to serve double duty as public toilets.

Around 30 years ago, there's frequent cases of urination in lifts. That stopped when urine detectors and cameras were installed in lifts.
Effective enforcement. But wouldn't it be nice, more dignified and much more satisfying, if public toilets were provided instead?

Given that there are practically no public toilets, who is taking up the slack? Probably coffeeshops, petrol stations, MRT, shopping centres etc.

Where are the toilets that are really "public", "public" as-in funded from tax money? Maybe toilets at beaches, toilets at punggol promenade, Lorong Halus wetland etc., until they are tendered out as commercial, 20cents per use, toilets.

Coffeeshops toilets? Private toilet, maintained by private funds.
Petrol station toilets? Private toilet, maintained by private funds.
MRT toilets? Private toilet, maintained by private funds.
Community Centre toilets? Non-political toilets, maintained by non-political funds.

Toilets should be provided as a public convenience, publicly funded.

Why is Singapore depending on private establishments to spend money to provide public toilets ... for free ? and expect free and good ?

       Feng Zengkun's article has the following sentences,

       "Part of the problem is economic - some coffee shop operators are simply not willing to engage full-time cleaners.
       .... And when the operators hire full-time cleaners, they also expect them to serve drinks or wash dishes."


I would claim that the problem is entirely economic.

Why do coffeeshops have toilets anyway? Probably mandated by NEA as part of licensing requirement for food establishment. Which is good. Businesses should provide adequate amenities for their customers, amenities such as toilets and carparks, and not impose a burden on the surrounding community. However, as it is currently, the community is imposing a burden on businesses to provide amenities, in this case - public toilets, for free.

Let's do it properly -> Use public funds to provide public toilets.

Does it not make better sense that a government agency, such as NEA, should be entirely responsible for providing well located, clean, well stocked, well maintained 5-star public toilets ?

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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2011, 03:17:29 PM »

Following is floor plan of upcoming coffeshop at BLK 612, PUNGGOL DRIVE, #01-01, S(820612).

Note the size of the toilet. Looks like 1 cubicle, 2 urinals in the male toilet. 1 cubicle in the female toilet.

Ultimately, the toilet will be treated as a public toilet for the surrounding area. Used by anyone, not just paying customers.

The coffee shop operator will have to spend money maintaining and cleaning the toilet, and provide it for free for anyone and everyone.

Will the toilet be dirty?


* floorplan blk612 punggol drive.png (69.08 KB, 493x372 - viewed 126 times.)
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« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2012, 06:01:41 AM »

NEA to step up checks on dirty toilets
By Wayne Chan | 14 March 2012 1639 hrs
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1188944/1/.html

NEA said operators who chalk up 24 demerit points for poorly maintained toilets will have their food outlet suspended, until hygiene and cleanliness standards of the premises, including toilets, are satisfactory.

Members of the public can also play a role in contributing towards cleaner public toilets.

NEA is inviting the public to send pictures of dirty toilets via its mobile app, myENV.

Action will be taken against operators who fail to keep their toilets clean and provide the basic amenities.
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« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2012, 06:15:05 AM »


Why fine coffeeshop operators when they are handicapped by HDB with inadequate facilities, facilities that were not designed to be used as public toilets ?

Come on, provide actual public toilets, properly funded, for the public.
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